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Money Lending and Other Sins I - III Red Dead Redemption 2 Mission

Group: Chapter 2 - Horseshoe Overlook

Category: Story Mission

In order to start this mission you have to complete the Americans at Rest mission and then talk to Leopold Strauss. You will find him in your camp at Horseshoe Overlook.

Leopold Strauss introduces Arthur to his usury business.

Note: Completing this mission unlocks the Ledger and Camp Upgrades.

Gold Medal Checklist

  • Complete within 2 minutes 10 seconds (This only applies to the recovering the debt from Thomas Downes)

Related points of interest

Icon of Horseshoe Overlook Horseshoe Overlook World Map

Icon of Downes Ranch Downes Ranch World Map

Icon of Emerald Ranch Emerald Ranch World Map

Icon of Painted Sky Painted Sky World Map

Prior missions

To begin Money Lending and Other Sins I - III you must first complete Americans at Rest.

Objectives of Money Lending and Other Sins I - III

1. Reclaim the debt from one of the debtors

Individuals that owe the gang money are marked on the map. Seek out the debtors and recover the money. Try not to kill them.

Reclaim the debt from one of the debtors

It is up to you which of the people who borrowed money from Strauss to visit first. It could be Mr. Wróbel, Chick Matthews, or Lilly Millet. To complete the job, you just need to visit one of the debtors. You can visit the others later.

1.1. Mr. Wróbel

One of the debtors is an immigrant from Poland - Mr. Wróbel. You will find him in his house.

Mr. Wróbel

Mr. Wróbel

Mr. Wróbel

1.1.1. Threaten / Beat up the debtor

He barely understands English, so you will have to use violence so that he lets you sweep the house in search of valuable things to pay off the debt.

Threaten / Beat up the debtor

Threaten / Beat up the debtor

1.1.2. Loot the house / Leave the house

Search cabinets, drawers, etc until you sucessfully recover the debt. You can, for example, take antique watch, silver earring, fine brandy, etc.

Loot the house / Leave the house

Once you have collected enough items, you will be informed of this via a message on the screen and you will receive Wróbel's Valuables.

Loot the house / Leave the house

1.2. Chick Matthews

Matthews can be found on his farm located to the west of Emerald Ranch. You can ask one of the workers on the farm to tell you where he is. If you talk to Matthews first, he will lie to you about being someone else.

Chick Matthews

Chick Matthews

When you find out which one of them is Matthews, he will get on his horse and start running away.

Chick Matthews

1.2.1. Chase and capture Chick Matthews

Follow Matthews, equip your lasso, get close to him and catch him.

Chase and capture Chick Matthews

Chase and capture Chick Matthews

Matthews will give you a map that shows where he hid the money.

Chase and capture Chick Matthews

1.2.2. View the map to find the debt's location

Open your satchel and examine the Chick's Treasure Map.

View the map to find the debt's location

The place where the treasure is located will be marked on the map.

View the map to find the debt's location

1.2.3. Go to the area shown on the map

You'll find what you're looking for in the hole of a big tree on the hill.

Go to the area shown on the map

Go to the area shown on the map

1.3. Lilly Millet

You'll find Lilly at Emerald Ranch. She's sitting on a bench talking to her companion.

Lilly Millet

Lilly Millet

1.3.1. Confront Lilly Millet

Approach them and talk to Lilly.

Confront Lilly Millet

Her companion, Cooper, won't want to give you your money back, and a fistfight will start.

Confront Lilly Millet

1.3.2. Beat up Cooper

Beat Cooper in a fistfight.

Beat up Cooper

1.3.3. Recover the money

Search Cooper and take the money. Unfortunately, somebody was watching you and thought it was a robbery.

Recover the money

Catch up with him, stop him in any way you want (if you do not manage to convince him verbally, knock him down and convince him by force), and convince him to be quiet.

Recover the money

Recover the money

2. Donate the recovered debt to the camp funds or collect another debt

Return to your camp and put the recovered debt in the tithing box. You will receive a cut of each recovered debt you donate to the camp funds. Before you do this, you can, but don't have to, take the debt from the other debtors (You can do it later).

Donate the recovered debt to the camp funds or collect another debt

3. Use the ledger to purchase a camp upgrade

Open the ledger and purchase any of the camp upgrades.

Use the ledger to purchase a camp upgrade

Use the ledger to purchase a camp upgrade

After doing so, Strauss will approach you and he'll ask you to go after one more debtor - Thomas Downes.

Use the ledger to purchase a camp upgrade

4. Visit Thomas Downes to reclaim his debt

Strauss encourages Arthur to reclaim the outstanding debt from a farmer, Thomas Downes, who seems to have little intention of repaying it.

Visit Thomas Downes to reclaim his debt

Visit Thomas Downes to reclaim his debt

The timer that counts down the time during which you should deal with Downes and then return to Strauss to earn the gold medal starts when you approach the farm.

5. Search for Thomas Downes / Retrieve the debt from Mr. Downes / Beat up Mr. Downes

Downes should be working in the garden (at least during the day). When you get close to him, he'll try to attack you, but he will fail.

Search for Thomas Downes / Retrieve the debt from Mr. Downes / Beat up Mr. Downes

Decide whether you just want to threaten him or beat him up. Either way, you won't be able to get your debt back. Downes is seriously ill and his family is living in poverty.

Search for Thomas Downes / Retrieve the debt from Mr. Downes / Beat up Mr. Downes

Note: During the conversation, Downes will cough blood on you and, as it turns out later, infect you with his illness. This is unavoidable.

When other members of his family come from the house, the conversation will be over. They will take care of their sick father and you will get on a horse and ride back to the camp.

Search for Thomas Downes / Retrieve the debt from Mr. Downes / Beat up Mr. Downes

6. Return to Leopold Strauss

Arthur attempts to reclaim the debt from Thomas Downes but finds him to be destitute.

Get back to Straus as soon as you can and talk to him. The mission will be completed.

Return to Leopold Strauss

Return to Leopold Strauss

After completing Money Lending and Other Sins I - III you will get or will be able to get The Spines of America (1 of 2).

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